POM-CAM

Feb 11, 2011 at 17:22

Do you like helmet cams? Do you have an iPhone 4? Well check this out. Andrew Taylor and his Partner Shelby Paget have been working incognito around close friends over the past few months developing a waterproof housing for the I Phone 4.

AT told me about the project a few weeks ago and it has been eating away at my insides not being able to tell anyone until now. They finally release their product on Kickstarter.com today looking for supporters like you and I.

Click here to check out the video behind the POM-CAM.

First off, thanks for stopping by and checking out our project. We have put in a lot of time and effort to make this project a success. We hope you like it!

The POM is the only way to turn your iPhone 4 into the ultimate point of view camera. By sliding your iPhone into the housing and using our mounts you can experience the Point of Me in perfect HD.

THE HOUSING FEATURES:
- Quality wide angle lens
- Black rubberized shell
- Locking slider
- Hinged door for easy installation
- Water resistant
- Shock resistant
- Usable touchscreen and buttons
- Waterproof headphone and out-bore microphone jack

BASE FRAME FEATURES:
- Protects touch screen
- Quick release buttons to easily eject the POM housing

THE MOUNTING FEATURES:
- All mounts are easily interchangeable with the Base
- Pivoting chest strap mount
- Pivoting suction mount
- Pivoting bar mount
- Pivoting adhesive helmet mount

FAQ's...
How does my iPhone 4 fit into the POM housing?
The housing opens like a book and your iPhone 4 slides into place and is secured safely with the locking slider.

How does the POM housing lock into the base?
By sliding the housing into the locking pin system it is securely fastened to the base.

How do I eject the housing from the base?
By pressing two eject buttons located on the sides of the base the locking pins release the housing.

If I crash when using my POM will my phone be safe from harm?
We have made sure the structure of the housing will withstand heavy impacts while enduring extreme use.

Is it waterproof?
Our final product will be tested and approved up to 10 meters.

I think you're shooting for the stars with this goal!
We have spent our life savings designing and developing a quality product. Now we are reaching out to enthusiasts like you to help us raise money to cover tooling and setup cost for mass manufacturing of the POM. The product is comprised of over 17 unique pieces with each piece requiring its own tooling. This is why we have made our goal larger than most on Kickstarter. We believe Kickstarter and YOU can help us reach our goal.

More about the POM...
In a generation obsessed with instant gratification and updates to our favorite social networks we can incorporate all of these things and more with the POM and keep the world, or maybe just your best buds, on the edge of their seats.

With the POM housing you can use your iPhone 4 to record your adventures with a wide angle lens. Whether you get your fill on wheels, in the powder, or out in the deep blue the POM will keep your phone safe from impact, scratches, and water damage while still allowing you to get that perfect shot anywhere.

We’ve chosen Kickstarter to help us continue our dream. With our experiences using this product and putting together the edit above of our adventures with the POM, we know that this will soon be a must have for any adrenaline junky with an iPhone 4! We are asking for your support to continue the process of tooling for the first full line of production. We have funded the project ourselves thus far and are asking for your support. We have put together a variety of support tiers that you can commit to. You will be receiving the POM at a discounted price if you pre-order through Kickstarter! If you are a enthusiast who lives in the world of adventure sports, the POM is something you can take on your never ending journey. Pre-order yours today and we promise you won’t be disappointed!

Check out our video for some awesome shots with the POM and hear our story of how everything came together.

Thanks for your support and please help us spread the word!

www.pom-cam.com

POM - Point of Me

Andrew Taylor
Shelby Paget

Note: Basic POM Package will retail for $129.99 and the Premium POM Package will retail for $159.99. iPhone 4 not included. iPhone 4, Apple logo and Apple are registered trademarks of Apple Inc.

Project location: Santa Cruz, CA

If you guys are looking to help make Andrew Taylors and Shelby Pagets dream come true click here to look how you can help.

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161 Comments

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campofchampions Plus (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:11)

AWESOME! I love people that think... "Hey you know what would be cool..." and then go make it.
Ken

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kawi008 (Feb 12, 2011 at 10:50)

Hey Guys!

Just wanted to follow up with some additional questions/concerns you guys have addressed. To the users with these concerns or to those who haven't had time to read over the whole article; Quite a few people have brought up their concerns about the protection of their phones being compromised in a crash or something similar. I would like to assure you guys that we have literally taken MANY steps to make sure that everything attribute mentioned on our features section and every environment that we've used the POM in, WILL keep your iPhone safe and we can even go further to say that we have crashed during our own motocross, and downhill shots with the housing and have had no issues when the POM hits the ground harder than anticipated. We would not sale a product with my name or Andrew Taylor's name on it without delivering an exceptional final product to you guys. Keep in mind too that we ourselves ride daily and we are the ones that have come up with the necessary features and composites (plastic and rubber strengths/thicknesses) to keep our iPhones safe while riding at a professional level with the POM. Hope this helps you guys know that you are receiving a professionally tested (from an engineering standpoint) and rider tested product that has exceeded our own expectations in all cases! Smile

Thanks - Shelby @ POM

rebarfun (Feb 12, 2011 at 11:12)

Thats all I need to hear

z-man (Feb 12, 2011 at 15:18)

Even if all precautions are taken, i wouldn't want to put my 600$ smart phone at risk for sub-standard video quality. You can say everything you want about security precautions, mountain biking is a sport with different variable where ever and when ever you ride. So saying it's been professionally tested by one or two riders doesn't really make sense. If you crash, there is a chance of breaking your iphone, and there is no possible way you can tell us otherwise. Good idea, but not the way i see the market progressing, unless you're able to make this product dirt cheap.

z-man (Feb 12, 2011 at 15:20)

And at 160 USD i would say that it isn't cheap. Too many better choices on the market these days for not much more.

badbadleroybrown (Feb 12, 2011 at 16:33)

I agree with Z-Man, for marginally more money you can have an actual dedicated POV camera and never have to worry about your iPhone getting destroyed... and let's be honest, if an Aluminium downhill frame can break, then so can your plastic case. Add to that the fact that iPhone video is only on par with the very cheapest POV cam's and all you've done is create an expensive way to multiply the amount you have invested in 'recording' equipment while getting substandard video. Great idea for a school project, horrible idea for an actual product.

To put it simply:
iPhone Retail: $599 (720p/30fps max video res)
POM Retail: $129
Total potential loss: $728 (+all the features of your phone while you wait for a new one)

GoPro Retail: $179.99 (960p/30fps max video res)
Total Potential loss: $179.99

Difference: $548.01 plus whatever value you place on having to do without a phone.

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GabrielDugas (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:26)

still not sure i would put a 700$ device in that...

knobzy (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:34)

i wouldn't mind putting a 700$ phone in the case. I'd be more worried about crashing with a 700$ phone up top my handle bars.

cmcrawfo (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:36)

ya, its a neat idea but I dont know how realistic it is. Phones still break, even in shock resistant cases. It would suck to crash and have a broken cam and a broken phone. then how are you going to call your mom for a ride home?

TylerPaget (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:09)

go pro- $300.00 lcd- $80 16g Storage Card $60 and there is no movie editor or instant upload to social networks not to mention you need a computer and editing software to even begin to put the GoPro footy anywhere viewable. I think this is legit and cost out weighs convenience for me since i always ride with my phone in my pocket anyways...

Antron (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:26)

Who gives a sh*t about instantly posting it on social networking, for one. You want it to look nice. Real camera's have a MUCH better life expectancy.

gouty Plus (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:37)

I dont want to start a pissing contest ANTRON but the world basically revoles around social networking sites now... And for the people who are scared to break their iphone, thats what Apple care is for!

Zane92651 (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:46)

all u need is a discount code for gopro and ur good Wink

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longnguyen Plus (Feb 11, 2011 at 21:42)

So tell me this Antron. You wouldn't think it would be cool for a rider to take a run down the Crankworx (or any event) slope style coure on opening practice day, and when he got to the bottom he posted it to the web so all the kids in the world can check out what the course is really like? I believe the our society is now based around social network and instantaneous gratification.

KURTSUCKS (Feb 11, 2011 at 22:58)

No thats ridiculous and unrealistic. we are not chicks here who only care about OMG i gotta tell the whole interweb about what happened a couple minutes ago.
how many people actually think about posting online After a run? i would probably be pissing me pants waiting for the other rider comming down. and besides i think UCI is going to ban it anyways. hahaha

KURTSUCKS (Feb 11, 2011 at 23:09)

And for making the kids know what the track is like? thats why we have the media and that thing called course walks on most events.

WestPennHunter (Feb 12, 2011 at 5:53)

gouty-
I'm almost positive apple isn't going to fix your phone if you crash on your bike.

makonastinky (Feb 12, 2011 at 6:06)

@westpennhunter - yeh they would, if it breaks they fix it, i know a kid who through it off his roof to see if it would break and apple gave him a new one after it of course broke into a shit load of pieces..(just make up a story-has to be good though)

@longnguyen - whats the big deal? i really dont see anything wrong with it,except for the price i think it is a lil too much but w/e, also something ive leanred is that there will always be some one trying to bash on new ideas, but u have failed, -'its stupid becuase i can upload vids right after u take them'- , cracker please....

tacobell123 (Feb 12, 2011 at 8:27)

apple backs you up, I got a new iPhone 4 for free after my previous one got slight water damage. I don't have apple care, that was just the regular warranty. I'm sure with the apple care they will replace your phone for even more stupid reasons .

makonastinky (Feb 12, 2011 at 10:29)

yeh like testign the durability by throwing it off your roof...

spoonyman (Feb 12, 2011 at 10:30)

@Everyone complaining about breaking their phone - just get phone insurance that covers accidental damage! Just tell them you were riding your bike and fell off (and hope they don't ask too many questions - making the usual presumption that the downhill is they easy bit!)

The only problem I can see is that Apple are due to release the iPhone 5 in about 6 months (probably before this hits the market) and another new model every year after that! The only way I can actually see this working is if they can come up with a way of standardising the mounts and making the case that houses the phone and hooks into the mount available cheaper to go with your mounting kit.

I think the theory is sweet, but can't quite see how it will work in reality!

Antron (Feb 12, 2011 at 13:29)

I don't have to say anything because KURTSUCKS already said it for me. The last thing I think about after a run is posting it online. That's just my opinion, I'm not hip with the I phone trend though. I do all my computing at home.

spoonyman (Feb 12, 2011 at 14:07)

You've got to do something on the chairlift!!

makonastinky (Feb 12, 2011 at 15:02)

@spoonyman, this is already on the market, (refering to te second paragraph of ur comment...)
@antron , really why is it so bad to upload it right after the run instead of waiting till u get home? then spoonyman's second comment does make sence, the chairlift take about 5 mins... (i can only base that on a rough estimation of the highland chairlift, bcuz thats the only one ive been on) and u can upload vids from an iphone during that time... so really its like every new idea on the home page when theres always some one bashing on it, but for reals, why the hell not? and if u dont like its not anyone is forcing you to buy it..

Antron (Feb 12, 2011 at 20:46)

My apologies. I forgot that social networking surpassed pornography in popularity on the internet. I'm not saying this is a bad idea, I just don't care about I phones. Spoonyman, the chairlift thing is a great idea. I didn't think about that because I have to hike up where I ride. This is a great product for those with I phones, hands down.

makonastinky (Feb 12, 2011 at 21:13)

lol and u could always vust a nut on the chairlift watchin porn in ur ipod, hey u wanna hear somethign funny? the first time i looked up pornography i didnt even know to spell it..

Antron (Feb 12, 2011 at 21:25)

Hahaha! Wonderful contribution to the article comments!

spoonyman (Feb 13, 2011 at 4:26)

Already on the market? I thought they're taking pre-orders for when they can actually start making them!?

And to be fair, most of the riding I do does involves pushing back up!

makonastinky (Feb 13, 2011 at 6:05)

it says in the second paragraph that they released it today on kickstarter.com .... well idk maybe they r only pre- order...

GabrielDugas (Feb 13, 2011 at 7:43)

i work for telus mobility. if you break your iphone by smashing it between your face and a rock : apple won't replace it for free. if you purchase an exchange program (really not free) they can do it. if it is partly broke : they can repare it (not free)

and i'm with the human side : prefer to drink a beer with friends saying "heyyyy duuuudeeee do you remember when i hit those jumps!!" instead of taking times to post it on facebook where 95% of my virtual friends don't really care/understand mountain bikes.

i'll stick with gopro. and really hope never have to receive a call from a mom screaming outlout that we f*cked them because we don't want to replace for free the exploded iphone 4 of her 17year old son.

i hope people will start using social networking lightly instead of being adicted

expect for pinkbike. ;p

makonastinky (Feb 13, 2011 at 8:01)

expect for pink bike? what do u mean

GabrielDugas (Feb 13, 2011 at 15:11)

pinkbike is part of social networking. the difference is that each users share the same thing

Antron (Feb 13, 2011 at 15:33)

YES!

makonastinky (Feb 13, 2011 at 16:51)

well i know that but u put expect.. oh u mean except.. i was like wtf r u talking about?

GabrielDugas (Feb 14, 2011 at 7:46)

oh yeah...i see why you didn't get it. except is the right word. (i'm french, it excuses everything! :p)

spoonyman (Feb 14, 2011 at 12:31)

Great excuse Razz

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TylerPaget (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:10)

yeahhh!! so pumped for this. spread the word everyone! Smile

dont forget to check out the video

http://www.vimeo.com/19779638

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Zane92651 (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:27)

what if u get a phone call in the middle of your run??

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longnguyen Plus (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:28)

Then it does stop the video. AT told me you to put the phone on air plane mode.

Rattsl (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:33)

I'm interested. This is badass!

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alexnash (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:38)

Damn k just bought a gopro.

Oh well gopro is 1080 and my iPhone is only 720

tacobell123 (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:40)

boom this idea is sick, im deffinitley gonna look into this

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mbalcita (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:45)

thats awesome!! but not every one has an iphone 4

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stevecabrera (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:46)

Yeaaaa.....il just stick to my gopro

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StuHaight (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:10)

The point is... this gives your iphone the ability to be more recording friendly. I admire the bravery in using it while riding but for everything else, it's great, especially the wide angle lens built in. Now if only I had an iphone LOL.

Npacholko (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:35)

I think this is a sick idea. And the footage on here looks better than GoPro footage. Great work guys! I'll be picking one of these up as soon as they're available.

AndyK26 (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:40)

what happens when your doing a banger line and you receive a call from from chris schmall (484-892-2921)

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KevSong (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:41)

the akward momment when you crash and your phone is in a mess....

mbalcita (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:54)

then dont crash hahaha Razz

dannyweiland (Feb 11, 2011 at 20:20)

if only i could control when i crash...

dannyweiland (Feb 11, 2011 at 21:01)

the case has a wide angle lens built in

Z-WAAAAAZ (Feb 11, 2011 at 21:02)

i knew that....

StuHaight (Feb 11, 2011 at 21:04)

Well yeah it's not fisheye wide like the gopro which is insanely wide. But it did make stunts actually look faster because it felt like it was normal perspective.

Rattsl (Feb 11, 2011 at 21:12)

If you guys make one for the iPod.......

*hint*

Unless iPhone 4 and iPod touch are the same size...I certainly don't think they are. iPod is thinner I think.

candymuffin (Feb 12, 2011 at 0:28)

ipod touch is A LOT thinner than the iphone.
i have seen them side by side.

i think this is an AMAZING idea.
ingenious.

but make one for the nokia n8?
pretty please.
it has an amazing camera, (better than the iphone), it's cheaper(at least in South Africa, not sure about the rest of the world)
i would immediately buy one for the n8 because i use it as my camera.

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lux-freerider (Feb 12, 2011 at 1:18)

I don't mean to be a downer here, but what happens when Apple releases the new iphone in 6 months or a year and it's not the same shape anymore ?

fooboy86 (Feb 12, 2011 at 1:52)

yes candymuffin! i have the n8 as well! i would also like to see a chest mounted version of this, it makes sense in my head.

lukethorpe (Feb 12, 2011 at 4:18)

They should definitely approach Apple with this!

almostwise Mod Plus (Feb 12, 2011 at 4:42)

Hell no, they should remain independent....why would you want to send it to one of Steve jobs' sweat-shops?

giantgl0ryh0le (Feb 12, 2011 at 7:55)

i crash and that phone is f*cked

tacobell123 (Feb 12, 2011 at 8:23)

too bad you have to preorder yours mr. glory hole ! nice try though , as of now they aren't available to the public.

tacobell123 (Feb 12, 2011 at 8:34)

actually I read that wrong, i wonder if pom will replace/offer a warrenty if your phone breaks in the result if a crash

jonathangross (Feb 12, 2011 at 12:28)

Gives you the hugh advantage to edit the video on the way home. And u will now allso be able to put the film straight away in the Editor without needing to breef trought all of ur films that day and than insert it.

The 2 problems i see here is:

Batery life of the Iphone
Crashing too hard with it, i hope its a solid peace of plastik infront of the cam side.

Well, im very sure i will buy one,

Hey, its only 130$, a Gopro cost 300$ before you get the accesories.

kawi008 (Feb 12, 2011 at 13:21)

Hey Guys,

When new iPhone models come out we will be rolling out with new POM setups to suit each model. The reason why we are starting with the iPhone 4 initially is because there are over 900,000,000 users worldwide and Verizon just introduced the iPhone 4 (which works with our POM as well) and most of these users are in a 2 year contract with either ATT or Verizon suggesting that there will be iPhone 4 users around for awhile longer. But do not worry because as soon as the iPhone 5 is released and later models we will be designing a POM to accommodate any changes and/or updates to design. Smile

Hope this answers some questions! - Shelby @ POM

mikedekoning (Feb 12, 2011 at 13:43)

Looks like you guys did your homework. Rad Product. Good Work Homies!

ericvan (Feb 12, 2011 at 13:48)

its a great idea, but the iphone isnt a high enough quality video camera. the clarity is great, but it just doesnt shoot enough FPS to make it a fluent video to watch

tcmtnbikr (Feb 12, 2011 at 15:11)

Let me get this straight, I'm to invest without any equity particpation?! Nothing like having your cake and eating it too guys.

By the time you tool up the iPhone 5 will be out anyway. And $200k for injection tooling, common, this is no more than $60k in tooling.

chrispaulcx Plus (Feb 12, 2011 at 15:41)

Great idea - As I read this I was pretty stoked. I got a go pro HD but thought it could be cool to have shots from multiple angles on the same run but I think the price might be too steep. I'd think something like this would do really well in the $50-90 dollar price range. Personally close to $200.00 isn't worth it - especially when you can get a go pro HD with better battery life,more flexible memory, for $300.00. Plus you run the risk of busting your $800.00 phone. For someone with a gopro HD and an iphone4 it'd be cool to simply have a iphone4 app with bluetooth that would let you view the video from the gopro HD afterwards and edit / upload.

ziggyzuggy (Feb 13, 2011 at 4:35)

sucks i dont have an iphone 4

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miff (Feb 12, 2011 at 22:42)

No doubt it's a good concept but I just can't see it being very popular. It's quite simply just too prone to damage in a crash. Mountain bikers crashing is inevitable and it doesn't take a big gumby stack to rip it off, a simple bail off could just as easily smash it to pieces as a big wipeout.

The only mount which looks like it might work is the chest mount but it's still the core product is expensive to invest in and in essence not designed for this purpose. Not to mention the cost (not just the money, but everything associated with your phone being out of action) if you do munt your iphone.

edit: badbadleroybrown has summed it up nicely, I posted before I read it Razz

edit2: After reading through all the comments and the replies from the developer all I'll say is that the downsides far, far, far outweigh the capabilities of the product.

I don't want to tear you guys to shreds because you had the balls to try something out, but I think you let your vision get in the way of reality here. Better luck next time guys.

allenrotstein (Feb 13, 2011 at 8:18)

Excellent! I wish i could positive pro you more than once.

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paininc (Feb 11, 2011 at 21:07)

Very interesting product...maybe priced a little overly aggressive at $129 considering you can get a GoPro HD Hero 960 for $179. Furthermore replacement housing for a GoPro is $40. If your case was $30 - $40, I think it would do really well.

The touch through screen also looks a little flimsy, you should talk to Ivyskin and see how they did their touch through screen, as it is a very durable protector a video here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a92eX85gJG8&feature=player_embedded#at=27

That case is the same as the Reception and is $14.99, granted your case has more options hence why I would say $40 is a good price point.

Great idea...interesting way to raise funds without having investors with venture capital take a good chunk of your business...good luck guys! Good looking product.

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badbadleroybrown (Feb 11, 2011 at 23:15)

So, for basically the same price as a decent helmet cam, you get a shoddy plastic case and put your $300-500 iPhone in harms way along with the $150 case... all while getting footage not on par with a dedicated camera... brilliant. Thumbs Down

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jimmyz (Feb 12, 2011 at 8:10)

I think its a great creative idea! Nice work.

Try and get some intellectual property protection as I agree with jonnyboy that other companies will steal your idea!! I am sure you have thought of that already though.

Congrats !!

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knobzy (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:32)

OTTER case makes a water proof unit for Palm Pilots. With touch screen capabilities and all. And this was over 8 years ago.
Back then palm pilots were very expensive also. I used it out on the ocean and never had problems.

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betsie Plus (Feb 11, 2011 at 23:38)

Anyone know what the shock and vibration handling capabilities of the I phone are?
How this effects the life of the product etc...

I have seen Sony and Motorola being tested whilst at a vibe house once and although the test was ok, it would not be representative of mountain biking.

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ragged (Feb 12, 2011 at 12:24)

Looked for one of these for ages for my iPhone 3GS, gave up. I carry my phone with me on every ride in my pocket and have attached it to the bars with a couple of large rubber bands for filming!! I live in rainy England not sunny California, so it always gets wet..I probably crash at least once each time I'm out, including into wet ditches and streams, my phone has always taken great pictures and vids and is still going strong...and anyway if it did get broken it's insured under the contract, so I'd just get a new one...insurance is only $5 a month, that's over 2 years of insurance for the price of your case...don't get me wrong it's a great idea and if it was $20-$30 I might consider it, but I agree I'd get a dedicated camera for $129 plus a bit...but good luck..

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z-man (Feb 12, 2011 at 9:57)

i just duct tape my Ipod chromatic with a video camera to my lid. i guess i could do it with my phone, seeing as the camera pwns the iphone 4, Sony experia x10 FTW. but i would cry if i broke it.

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kawi008 (Mar 4, 2011 at 10:56)

We have been using the POM more than ever to make sure that when using the POM and your iPhone 4 you will have the ultimate point of view device on the market! We wanted to address one of the main topics that came up on discussion boards as well as enthusiast forums in regards to the protection capability of the POM for you iPhone 4 i...n the event of a crash or wreck. Like we have mentioned before, we have thoroughly tested our prototypes and have made changes in order to insure that the POM will indefinitely keep your phone safe from impacts as well as water damage.

Here is a clip of our POM going through a very hard crash aboard Andrew Taylor's helmet on a recent downhill ride. As you will see in the video, Andrew takes a wrong turn and slides off of a 10 foot cliff straight to his head and the POM housing taking most of the impact! The POM housing as well as the iPhone were both completely protected, minus some dirt and debris, and the POM and Andrew's iPhone 4 went on to film for the rest of the day!

a href=" http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150094228139397&oid=192071407484407&comments "> Crash video with the POM here!!! /a>

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bigdood (Feb 12, 2011 at 6:22)

Was just saying the other day was surprised I hadn't seen something like this before and BOOM now here it is. Good stuff, tho for the price I'd probably just throw down the extra 50 on a GoPro and not risk the phone

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jonnyboy (Feb 12, 2011 at 7:24)

Great school design project but chance of this hitting the market is zero unless you've a patent/copyright on a bar mount case for iphone4.
There are a million case producers that can bring this to market inside a month without raising funds to do so.. You guys are what? A year away minimum?

I wish you all the best though and congrats on the originality but I don't think this will make you rich... Probably a decent grade at school though.

Jonny 2.1 BSc hons - industrial design and technology
(product design) at loughborough university

kawi008 (Feb 12, 2011 at 13:35)

Hey Jonnyboy,

Thanks for the input we appreciate it! We have already taken care of our patents and tm's thus far and we have high hopes to to bring a product like this to market using Kickstarter, but if in the instance that we do not reach our goal we have a few investment firms that have already offered to fund our project in excess of our goal if needed. We are on track to have product shipping within 30 days of our goal being met if not earlier so that the customers will have the POM in hand relatively quickly. Smile

Hope this decreases in doubts you may have Jonny! Thanks - Shelby @ POM

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nervous-hamster (Feb 12, 2011 at 1:30)

what's all the fuss about?

For couple of bucks more you get a Go Pro HD...

that's just a glorofied iphone protective case...

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connerkuhns Plus (Feb 12, 2011 at 2:49)

its a good idea, but from the standpoint of someone who does video work , it already has alot of drawbacks that people have already commented on. good luck

TylerPaget (Feb 12, 2011 at 14:05)

of course..

connerkuhns Plus (Feb 13, 2011 at 19:11)

just a honest opinion, i think your brother would want that. its a cool product that has alot of drawbacks

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kawi008 (Mar 4, 2011 at 11:29)

We have been using the POM more than ever to make sure that when using the POM and your iPhone 4 you will have the ultimate point of view device on the market! We wanted to address one of the main topics that came up on discussion boards as well as enthusiast forums in regards to the protection capability of the POM for you iPhone 4 i...n the event of a crash or wreck. Like we have mentioned before, we have thoroughly tested our prototypes and have made changes in order to insure that the POM will indefinitely keep your phone safe from impacts as well as water damage.

Here is a clip of our POM going through a very hard crash aboard Andrew Taylor's helmet on a recent downhill ride. As you will see in the video, Andrew takes a wrong turn and slides off of a 10 foot cliff straight to his head and the POM housing taking most of the impact! The POM housing as well as the iPhone were both completely protected, minus some dirt and debris, and the POM and Andrew's iPhone 4 went on to film for the rest of the day!

a href=" http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/video/video.php?v=10150094228139397&oid=192071407484407&comments "> Crash video with the POM here!! /a>

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rebarfun (Feb 13, 2011 at 16:20)

I for one think this is a great idea. For those of you that think your I phone becomes vulnerable, where do you carry your I phone when you are slamming a run, or hitting the trails???? With this product, you are now able to utilize your I phone with one more capability in regards to digitally video documenting and uploading to where ever you choose, literally seconds after your event.I really believe this product will be an extremely beneficial asset to todays social net working activities.

For those of you that have and do use a Go Pro, and have expierienced frustrations with down loading, editing, then up loading to your social network ,this product , in my opinion eliminates that. Think of the time saved, that none of us have to give.

COME ON GET ON BOARD

dlproductionsjasper (Feb 13, 2011 at 17:41)

Um no thanks, it's too expensive, their sample video is very shaky, the quality isn't that great, it's not waterproof, and riding with an iPhone on your helmet or handlebars is way too bulky.

kawi008 (Feb 13, 2011 at 18:29)

Hey Dlpoductionsjasper! The POM is actually waterproof and safe for surfing and water submerged sports up to 2 meters. Stay tuned because we will have a response update video/write up addressing all your guy's questions that have come up so far and hopefully we can put to rest some of the misconceptions of the limitations and design features of the POM. A littel side note... I just got done with a super fun session at Post Office tonight and loved that even though I didn't plan on filming anything, I was able to send some new tricks and film them with my phone (that I've always ridden with in my pocket) and share them with my little brother without sitting down to my computer. Pretty rad in my opinion Smile

Keep the questions coming you guys so that we can answer anything that hasn't been brought up already in our Kickstarter update video response this week! We appreciate all your feedback. Thanks - Shelby @ POM

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GarytheDestroyer (Feb 13, 2011 at 14:44)

Ok the Iphone is super huge compared to most helmet cams. It is a sweet idea for those who have Iphones but I won't be rushing out to buy and Iphone because of this. I'll stick with my Hero.

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jcinkits (Feb 13, 2011 at 22:22)

interesting...i already rigged up my blackberry phone with a velcro case and velcro on my lid and unless the weather is rainy it works well enough that i have a reasonably good vid [ a few shaky spots but not too shabby at all ] of me doing some rips down Nicoles and Gearjammer up on Burnaby Mt. [ good enough till i can afford the real deal.]

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marseer (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:17)

Thats a great idea, and I hope it goes well, but I really would feel uncomfortable with my iPhone 4 somewhere it could get battered and smashed in a wreck.

TylerPaget (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:52)

your pocket may be just as vulnerable

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NMackey (Feb 13, 2011 at 23:00)

it almost looks like they just used something besides and Iphone and what if your headphone jack is full of water and you plug in your headphones. Ive had my GoPro fall of my truck going 40 multiple time when I was offroading and ive crashed with it and slammed it off my head and its perfect. An Iphone in that case with a thin plastic touch pad never would survive. Lets all go buy new Iphones after they break and be out a cell phone and everything else it does. GoPro 1080p HD 200-220$ or Iphone for whatever you paid then a new one for 600$ since you cant get a new one cheap

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Trekbiker2 (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:41)

Can it mount to helmets? Or a chest mount of some sort, or will it be too intrusive on GoPro?

TylerPaget (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:42)

helmets mount, chest strap, suction mounts, and bar mounts

kawi008 (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:50)

We have designed our own mounting systems that can be seen on the website or on the kickstarter video. www.pom-cam.com and https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andrewtaylor/pom-turn-your-iphone-4-into-a-point-of-view-camera By supporting our project you will basically be pre-ordering a POM housing at a discounted price at the time we hit our funding goal. Pre-order yours today! Thanks for the support and please share with your friends and check us out on Facebook too! http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pom-Cam/192071407484407 - Shelby @ POM

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nfiorito (Feb 14, 2011 at 6:27)

I find the video on my iphone4 to be far too jello-y to do even slow pan shots. I can't imagine the pixelated mess this would produce on a DH run. Or the mess of parts it would produce after a bail on a DH run.

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tinfoil (Feb 12, 2011 at 21:49)

Awesome. If I ever get one I know just how I want to destroy my iPhone.

Really though, it is a cool idea. I'd just never use it.

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Jammers91 (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:28)

i was going to make a bodge holder for my iphone to sit on my bike, but now ive seen this i might wait for this. looks awesome

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FrEeZa (Feb 12, 2011 at 16:23)

You don't really need to buy an iPhone 4. My old Nokia is still better, only video quality is a hint behind. There are many other phones out there with 720p video, just go out there and get one. Still, GoPro is way better.

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chris (Feb 12, 2011 at 9:27)

if premium pom retails for 159.... spend extra 40 and get gopro 920p version? smaller and it'll have better battery life and also you won't be crying IF it breaks vs iphone breaking

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chuk2rs (Feb 11, 2011 at 20:36)

I think this is a great idea. But beyond crashing, can the I-phone handle the constant shock of being on the handlebars. I am not hating, I have seen GPS fail from handlebar mounting.

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goonrider (Feb 12, 2011 at 1:22)

so it costs 20,000 to make a mould,
I guess thats not too expensive considering all the cost of prototyping etc.
doesn't a new iphone come out every year or so isn't that a major issue?

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enorbz (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:43)

so rad!!! I need to buy a Iphone now haha

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andyDH (Feb 12, 2011 at 3:17)

A big point which i think alot of people are missing is that you can upload the footage very quickly.

miff (Feb 12, 2011 at 22:48)

What footage? The 3min of unedited, uncompressed video which would take all afternoon to upload on a mobile network not to mention the expensive bandwidth it would chew through in the process.

I'll wait til I'm home thanks.

Good concept on paper but overall I don't think they've really assessed the downsides enough.

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daloopsrider (Feb 11, 2011 at 20:46)

wow, this looks sick! Smile

now here's just another way to share how we see sports. I don't have an iphone, but this would be nice if I did, wouldn't use if for biking though

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dansands (Feb 13, 2011 at 8:35)

cant imagine many people wanting to strap a £500 phone to their handlebars. i know i wouldn't.

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deanw (Feb 11, 2011 at 20:30)

Neat idea for the instant video editing and uploading, but I see lots and lots of issues.

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wonkle (Feb 13, 2011 at 22:39)

I just taped my iphone3gs into my helmet it seemed to work fine video is on my profile just had q cruise to show my pal the new track

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almightybenners (Feb 13, 2011 at 2:54)

make an adjustable one for other smartphones maybe? like the htc desire or evo

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killboy911 (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:48)

Helmet cams does up to 60 fps... iPhone doesn't. What the profit??

Bjammin (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:51)

its way cheaper if u already have an iphone 4

kawi008 (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:56)

iPhone does 30fps and you can upload your video with music and other features from iMovie while your still riding without having to use a computer for editing. Also, generally a card for a POV camera costs about $40 for a decent 8g card where as your iPhone generally stores either 16g or 32g which is more than enough room for a few good shots. The POM also incorporates the view finder on the iPhone which many POV cameras charge extra for and they add weight/additional accessories to your riding experience. Lastly, the iphone has great lighting sensors, and in comparison to many POV cameras on the market, the iphone will shoot a crisper, better definition shot in low lighting or lighting conditions that change from low to high lighting quickly. With the iPhone you can also lock your lighting sensor so that it doesn't change at all if preferred. Basically, the POM housing allows you to safely use your iPhone 4 as a POV camera while also allowing you to use the exceptional technology Apple has put into these devices. Thanks! - Shelby @ POM

Bjammin (Feb 12, 2011 at 9:23)

ya that too

sbfreeride (Feb 12, 2011 at 23:02)

$40 for 8 gigs? Ha. Try about $10 for a class 10.

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aaronaaron (Feb 11, 2011 at 19:17)

This is such a good idea! Iphones are already great phone this will just make it sicker

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sommersc818 (Feb 13, 2011 at 9:18)

I would like to see them do some crash testing with it cause I would buy one if it could handle a hard crash.

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Seacon (Feb 12, 2011 at 12:25)

I love the concep but intro the clamping system they should put a magnet !!! (more safe) for downhill rider !!

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LetsRideIT (Feb 13, 2011 at 9:48)

I bet if you put some bubble wrap in it then put the touch in it would work fine.

k2dan (Feb 13, 2011 at 11:00)

lol i really hope i wont have to do that

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jthefoo (Feb 13, 2011 at 17:46)

why would you want this it is not even that good of quality, and why would you not just get the go pro they are sick

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spencer223 (Feb 11, 2011 at 22:32)

this is going to be a lot of trial and error on this thing, hopefully it'll be profected by the 2011 season!

kawi008 (Feb 11, 2011 at 22:42)

Hey Spencer! We have not cut any corners at all and have been developing the POM to perfection for awhile now while working with a well established design/engineering firm in Silicon Valley. We are very confident that our product delivered to the customer will be nothing short of what we've promised. The trial and error testing has taken place already and our final product works better than we had imagined. We have done our homework and then some to ensure the quality of the POM so that customers can be sure of what they're receiving. Hope this helps clear some fog Smile

Thanks! -Shelby @ POM

spencer223 (Feb 11, 2011 at 22:57)

Well if i get the iPhone for my birthday i'll have to give this thing a try!
Are you going to make something like this for other phones?

kawi008 (Feb 12, 2011 at 13:26)

Spencer,

I posted a comment above about future models just now check it out!

Shelby @ POM

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haroman666 (Feb 12, 2011 at 9:05)

Perhaps if there was a way to make this universal across a variety of phones... Cause not all of us have jumped into the Apple cess pool...

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mtbiker189 (Feb 12, 2011 at 8:41)

i think this is an awesome idea. it would be nice to upload vids instantly for your friends to see. great idea guys!

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atenciole (Feb 14, 2011 at 6:15)

Meh.... It's for an iPhone. It'd be a lot cooler if it was for something else, i.e. an Android phone.

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Muttley (Feb 12, 2011 at 1:48)

Id Probably buy one, Ive come too close to bustin my 4 wide open too often.

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Identiti-bikes (Feb 12, 2011 at 10:31)

sweet idea if you don't want to get a gopro or something but you have an iphone Big Grin

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CptnCool (Feb 12, 2011 at 10:06)

Now there is an APP for that too!!!

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gabika07 (Feb 12, 2011 at 0:41)

Buy GoPro...

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seraph (Feb 11, 2011 at 20:25)

I'd hate for my iPhone to be on my handlebars if I crashed. Eek

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SpecializedRiderRob (Feb 12, 2011 at 3:12)

do one for the new ipod touch.....

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freeridedub (Feb 13, 2011 at 14:23)

now i just need one for the htc evo, since its better then the iphone Razz

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modded (Feb 11, 2011 at 20:12)

Slick. Nicely done, hope it takes off huge for ya !

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elesdee (Feb 12, 2011 at 11:48)

Good job fellas! Sick idea. Love the entrepreneurial spirit!

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davidstuartkelly (Feb 12, 2011 at 6:40)

Nice idea, prefer to use my Contour 1080 for biking though.I reckon lots of people would buy this for biking.

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esstinkay (Feb 12, 2011 at 11:45)

almost makes me consider renewing my at&t contract...

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lilSmithyD (Feb 14, 2011 at 13:16)

I LOVE THE IDEA Big Grin

! cant waite to get my own 1 Big Grin

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zebrazebra (Feb 12, 2011 at 12:11)

Pretty sick man. Can't wait to get my 4 now!

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makonastinky (Feb 12, 2011 at 5:52)

so is it only i phone? or could i use an ipod touch 4g

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jdotr (Feb 12, 2011 at 10:07)

do one for the ipod touch!

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cdoobie (Feb 12, 2011 at 18:36)

FANTASTIC, VIDEO AND SAFETY ALL IN ONE. I WOULD SELL THE SAFETY ASPECT TOO, BEING ABLE TO MAKE AN EMERG. CALL....GO PROS CANT MAKE A PHONE CALL.

almightybenners (Feb 13, 2011 at 2:55)

most people ride with their phones anyway? you'd be a mug not to

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miguel21 (Feb 12, 2011 at 16:46)

Good luck selling that x)

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Worm-Burner (Feb 13, 2011 at 1:18)

I thought it was a camera to take pictures of Britons.

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lemonhed Plus (Feb 12, 2011 at 11:33)

iPhone 5 is due in a few months. Will this be compatible? love it by the way. Good luck!

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Arawn (Feb 12, 2011 at 2:23)

such a awsum idea! shame i dont have an iphone Frown

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yukondoitallnightlong (Feb 14, 2011 at 19:33)

SMASH!!!! Bye Bye $700 phone Frown

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charliepac (Feb 13, 2011 at 7:44)

Better hurry, that phone could be outdated in a few months

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k2dan (Feb 13, 2011 at 9:21)

does the itouch work too its a bit slimer than the iphone

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nickjames (Feb 12, 2011 at 9:27)

What about the droid x?

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kawi008 (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:44)

Thanks Long! Smile

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mtbiker165 (Feb 11, 2011 at 18:56)

thats awsome

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msarri24 (Feb 12, 2011 at 1:18)

yeaaaaah so coool Big Grin

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andyf40 (Feb 12, 2011 at 1:33)

Site does not work

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hooliganripper101 (Feb 13, 2011 at 15:11)

i have never seen somthing gayer than me

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